View Full Version : Japanese M1 Grand?
blackkat7073
July 18th, 2009, 11:45 PM
I love the new Battlefield but the only think that makes my mad was that the Japs have some ghetto looking M1 Grand and not a gun of their own.
redRAID3R
July 19th, 2009, 04:03 AM
They have a Type 5 Semi-Automatic Rifle.
http://www.battlefield1943.com/classes/japanese-imperial-army/rifleman
Wolf X
July 19th, 2009, 06:01 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_5_Rifle
^ Quick and interesting read. I had never heard of the Type 5 before.
redRAID3R
July 19th, 2009, 06:57 AM
Why do the Japanese like to start their gun names with "Type"?
PiccoloV
July 19th, 2009, 09:40 AM
That's what Wikipedia says:
The Type 5 Rifle (Type 4 Rifle in Japan: 四式自動小銃 Yon-shiki jidousyoujyuu) was a Japanese experimental semi-automatic rifle. It was a copy of the American M1 Garand
blackkat7073
July 19th, 2009, 10:13 PM
Their still 2 vary different rifles. The type 5 uses 2 stripper clips giving the gun a 10 round capacity and because it uses stripper clips meaning the rounds are inserted directly into the rifle with no "actual" magazine going into the rifle, their is no way possible for the gun to eject the mag after the last round is fired like the M1 grand. The M1 grand fires the 30-6 round as the Type 5 fires the 7.7x58mm Arisaka round meaning the Type 5 is a complete separate gun then the m1 grand. They hardly even look the same. It looks more like an SKS rifle then an M1 Grand.
Wolf X
July 20th, 2009, 06:18 AM
The type 5 uses 2 stripper clips giving the gun a 10 round capacity and because it uses stripper clips meaning the rounds are inserted directly into the rifle with no "actual" magazine going into the rifle, their is no way possible for the gun to eject the mag after the last round is fired like the M1 grand.
That's not true. Stripper clips for the Type 5 aren't that much different from the "enbloc" clip that the M1 Garand uses as far as reloading goes.
The Type 5 may not be an "exact" copy of the M1 Garand because it was reverse-engineered to be better suited for Japanese soldiers, such as using the standard Arisaka type ammunition. They also tried making other improvements on the design, hence the two 5 round stripper clips. The "enbloc" clip is actually considered to be a flaw in the M1 Garand's design. Stripper clips can be loaded as a clip or individually, the M1 Garand couldn't be loaded without the "enbloc" clip.
Also, as far as I can tell in pictures the two rifles look very similar. Both weigh almost the same and have nearly the same length. Both load from the top. Both use the rotating bolt method for locking and both use gas-operation for autoloading, which is the process that causes the clips to eject from the top.
Regardless though, a rifle that wasn't even developed until 1944 shouldn't even be in a game titled 1943. :D
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